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55 *What is IIEC? |
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79 « *Reply #1 on:* January 22, 2002, 09:30:43 AM » |
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83 Logan, |
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85 IIEC refers to intent, initiation, execution, and completion; it's a |
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86 followup on one of the "talk about it later" topics in my essay. The |
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87 thread, begun by Manu, is |
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88 http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=774 <"<a>">here. |
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90 A related thread, a similar followup and also begun by Manu, concerns |
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92 http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=773 <"<a>">here. |
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113 « *Reply #2 on:* January 22, 2002, 09:34:16 AM » |
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117 Yoicks! |
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119 Looking over the history of the discussion, I discover a terminological |
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120 shift! |
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122 It was, intent, initiation, completion, and effect; now, for some reason |
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123 I and others have been calling it intent, initiation, execution, and |
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124 completion! |
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126 Damn! I call a terminology conference. I like the "execution" part for |
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127 step 3 (I think Fang commented about how "completion" was too, well |
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128 "over with" to be just right). I also think "effect" or "result" or |
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129 "outcome" would be right for the last step. |
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131 So, IIEE? IIER? IIEO? Damn! All comments welcome. |
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154 I was going to guess IIEC was acronym-speak for "If I Even Care" . . . |
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156 I like Intent, Initiation, Execution, Effect - double-I, double-E. IIEO |
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157 ("Outcome" at the end) works too, but makes me want to turn it into |
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185 eliminates any hidden Narrativist bias toward resolution systems that |
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187 games, the Outcome is "no effect". |
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213 Quote from: Ron Edwards |
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214 It was, intent, initiation, completion, and effect; now, for some reason |
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215 I and others have been calling it intent, initiation, execution, and |
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218 Damn! I call a terminology conference. I like the "execution" part for |
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219 step 3 (I think Fang commented about how "completion" was too, well |
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220 "over with" to be just right). I also think "effect" or "result" or |
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225 I always prefered IIAC: Intent, Initiation, Action, Completion. |
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253 I root for IIEOC (Intent, Initiation, Execution, Outcome, Consequence). |
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255 I choose to separate Outcome (the localized impact of the action) from |
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256 Consequences (the big picture); Let's say it's all about swinging a |
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257 swort at a troll: O would be the possible wound to it, and C would be |
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258 the impact on its morale, and maybe on the morale of surroundings goblins. |
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260 Another example: a character tries to seduce a noble lady: O would be |
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261 the efect of the smooth talker on the lady, and her reaction to it, and |
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262 C would be the triggered consequences on the Relationship Map |
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266 initial intent of reaching the goal of C, and O is just a "side effect". |
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267 Narrativist gamegroups might have a field day with this kind of way to |
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268 look at things, and I even see it in Ron's Elfs, personally. (palyer's |
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269 action as O, and character's action as C) |
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