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(Read 1712 times) + +*Logan * +Member + +Posts: 153 + + +View Profile + + +*What is IIEC? +* +« * on:* January 22, 2002, 09:26:10 AM » + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +.. + Logged + +*Ron Edwards +* +Global Moderator +Member +* +Posts: 12610 + + +View Profile + WWW + + + +*What is IIEC? +* +« *Reply #1 on:* January 22, 2002, 09:30:43 AM » + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Logan, + +IIEC refers to intent, initiation, execution, and completion; it's a +followup on one of the "talk about it later" topics in my essay. The +thread, begun by Manu, is +http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=774 <"">here. + +A related thread, a similar followup and also begun by Manu, concerns +task/conflict resolution and similar stuff, +http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=773 <"">here. + +Best, +Ron + Logged + +*Ron Edwards +* +Global Moderator +Member +* +Posts: 12610 + + +View Profile + WWW + + + +*What is IIEC? +* +« *Reply #2 on:* January 22, 2002, 09:34:16 AM » + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Yoicks! + +Looking over the history of the discussion, I discover a terminological +shift! + +It was, intent, initiation, completion, and effect; now, for some reason +I and others have been calling it intent, initiation, execution, and +completion! + +Damn! I call a terminology conference. I like the "execution" part for +step 3 (I think Fang commented about how "completion" was too, well +"over with" to be just right). I also think "effect" or "result" or +"outcome" would be right for the last step. + +So, IIEE? IIER? IIEO? Damn! All comments welcome. + +Best, +Ron + Logged + +*Gordon C. Landis +* +Member + +Posts: 1011 + + +View Profile + + + +*What is IIEC? +* +« *Reply #3 on:* January 22, 2002, 10:19:03 AM » + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +I was going to guess IIEC was acronym-speak for "If I Even Care" . . . + +I like Intent, Initiation, Execution, Effect - double-I, double-E. IIEO +("Outcome" at the end) works too, but makes me want to turn it into +EIEIO. :-) + Logged + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Gordon C. Landis + +*Paul Czege * +Acts of Evil Playtesters +Member +* +Posts: 1845 + + +View Profile + WWW + + + +*What is IIEC? +* +« *Reply #4 on:* January 22, 2002, 10:36:06 AM » + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Hey, + +I think Outcome is probably more precise than Effect, in that it +eliminates any hidden Narrativist bias toward resolution systems that +always move the narrative along, always produce an effect. In some +games, the Outcome is "no effect". + +Paul + Logged + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Game weary? Play My Life with Master and get +your hunch back. + +*Le Joueur * +Member + +Posts: 1363 + + +View Profile + WWW + + + +*What is IIEC? +* +« *Reply #5 on:* January 22, 2002, 04:04:18 PM » + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Quote from: Ron Edwards +It was, intent, initiation, completion, and effect; now, for some reason +I and others have been calling it intent, initiation, execution, and +completion! + +Damn! I call a terminology conference. I like the "execution" part for +step 3 (I think Fang commented about how "completion" was too, well +"over with" to be just right). I also think "effect" or "result" or +"outcome" would be right for the last step. + +So, IIEE? IIER? IIEO? Damn! All comments welcome. + +I always prefered IIAC: Intent, Initiation, Action, Completion. + +Fang Langford + Logged + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Fang Langford is formerly the creator of the Scattershot Role-Playing +Game System. This project has been permanently suspended. If you have +any questions regarding the implementation of it or anything else, he +can be reached at ripjack@mad.scientist.com + + +*Manu * +Member + +Posts: 55 + + +View Profile + + + +*What is IIEC? +* +« *Reply #6 on:* January 23, 2002, 12:24:50 AM » + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +I root for IIEOC (Intent, Initiation, Execution, Outcome, Consequence). + +I choose to separate Outcome (the localized impact of the action) from +Consequences (the big picture); Let's say it's all about swinging a +swort at a troll: O would be the possible wound to it, and C would be +the impact on its morale, and maybe on the morale of surroundings goblins. + +Another example: a character tries to seduce a noble lady: O would be +the efect of the smooth talker on the lady, and her reaction to it, and +C would be the triggered consequences on the Relationship Map +surrounding her. + +Note that in both cases, the action might have been initiated with the +initial intent of reaching the goal of C, and O is just a "side effect". +Narrativist gamegroups might have a field day with this kind of way to +look at things, and I even see it in Ron's Elfs, personally. (palyer's +action as O, and character's action as C) + +Just my 2 cents. + +Manu + Logged + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +------------- +Manu + +*Pages:* [*1*] Print + + +« previous + +next » + + +Jump to: + + +Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP + The Forge | Powered by SMF 1.0.5 +. +© 2001-2005, Lewis Media . All Rights Reserved. +*Oxygen* design by Bloc Valid XHTML 1.0! + Valid CSS! + +