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* Optimisation et conception |
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** Types d'optimisation |
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Plusieurs de ces optimisations proviennent de l'article de Ron Edwards |
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«Gamism: Step On Up». Une autre série d'articles intéressants sur le |
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sujet sont ceux de Brian Gleichman et tout ce que vous pourrez trouver |
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sur la théorie des jeux (une branche des mathématiques développer |
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Une question reste: est-ce que toutes ces optimisations sont |
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*** Spirale de progression |
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La spirale de progression survient lorsqu'un avancement sur une |
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échelle rend l'échelon suivant plus facile à atteindre et ce, de façon |
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constante. Elle existe principalement sous deux formes: L'un est un |
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coût linéaire ou uniforme qui permet d'obtenir un gain exponentiel ou |
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linéaire. L'autre est plus pernicieux: c'est le gain récursif. On |
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l'obtient en achetant un élément qui diminue le coût d'un autre |
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élément qui lui-même permet (par rachat ou en diminuant lui-même le |
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coût) d'acheter l'élément initial à un moindre coût. À la limite, la |
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spirale de progression peut même finir par être une source de gain |
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infinie. La statistique Recovery de Champions [gamism_step_on_up.txt, |
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l.836] en est un exemple. Généralement, il faut faire très attention |
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aux gains exponentiels et éviter le plus possible toute forme de |
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*** Le bouc émissaire |
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Le bouc émissaire est un élément qui peut être sacrifié sans dommage |
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effectif pour le joueur afin d'obtenir un avantage par la suite. La |
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caractéristique Charisme à D&D est un bon exemple d'un tel bouc |
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*** La stat à tout faire |
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C'est une statistique qui donne un avantage partout, en toute chose. |
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Une statistique qui facilite l'apprentissage par exemple, ou qui agit |
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un modificateur positif sur tous les jets de dés, ou permettant la |
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relance (la Chance par exemple). Ce peut aussi être une |
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caractéristique particulièrement importante dans le domaine exploré: |
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par exemple la force dans un jdr très orienté vers le combat, ou une |
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compétence de persuasion dans les jdr politiques. |
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*** Double-dipping |
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Technique qui consiste à acquérir un double avantage pour un gain. |
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Par exemple, obtenir de l'expérience lors de la découverte d'un trésor |
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permet d'obtenir à la fois un gain de progression et l'achat de |
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meilleur matériel. [Ref.: gamism_step_on_up.txt, l.1273] |
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Une variante subtile du double-dipping est lorsqu'un gain dans un |
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même chose mais vu du coté de la perte. [Ref.: gamism_step_on_up.txt |
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*** Le combo imparable |
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C'est la combinaison de manœuvres qui assurent à tout coup (ou |
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l'obstacle. Parfois, de tels combo existent que pour contre certains |
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types de personnages. Ils n'en sont pas moins importants, au |
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contraire, rendant ces personnages nettement désavantagés par rapport |
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à ceux qui possèdent le combo. |
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*** Les faux choix |
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[cf. articles de Brian Gleichman sur la Complexité de nombre] Un faux |
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choix est de croire que différentes tactiques existent à cause du |
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rendant l'optimisation simple explicite. |
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*** Optimisation simple |
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Cette technique consiste à trouver la valeur optimale pour un effet |
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identique. Cela peut être de trouver dans quel ordre certaines |
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compétences doivent être achetées, de trouver la valeur optimale d'une |
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difficulté libre, ou encore la bonne combinaison. Ces optimisations |
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Le GNS est un modèle des buts autour desquels s'orientent les joueurs. |
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Il les catégorise autour de trois axes que sont le Ludisme, le |
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Simulationnisme et le Narrativisme. Personnellement, je considère ces |
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jeu de rôle dans un but commun, assurant que chacun des trois aspects |
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partie plus générique qui introduit des notions permettant de mieux |
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concevoir des aspects de ma propre technique qui serait difficile sans |
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cela. Souvent, ces théories incluent, reprennent, reformulent ou |
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ignorance de ces théories, mais d'autres fois parce que, ces théories |
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conclusions peuvent alors bien être les mêmes, je n'aurai alors que |
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conclusions que celles de la théorie originale. Mais plus important |
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Il se pourrait bien que je me trompe de route. Il se pourrait bien |
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probable que nos chemins soit tout simplement différent et qu'on ne |
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partage tout simplement pas la même vision du jeu de rôle. Je n'ai |
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aucune raison de considérer le travail de Ron comme étant mauvais ou |
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miennes et c'est, à mon avis, plus une question d'opinion, de points |
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des jeux de rôle "pure", servant exclusivement mais avec emphase un |
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objectif précis. Personnellement, je désire un outil souple et |
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cohérent, me permettant de mettre mes priorités là où je le désire |
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objectifs secondaires, quelqu'ils soient. Pour cela, je me préoccupe |
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difficile à atteindre qu'un objectif précis. La compromission est |
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Cette position entraîne généralement une forte opposition avec les |
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tenants du GNS. Ces derniers voient dans ma façon de concevoir mes |
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jeux un manque de focus causé par une difficulté à trouver une |
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priorité claire. Cette priorité bien sûr n'existe pas et c'est |
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pourquoi le jeu ne les intéresse généralement pas, ou seulement |
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façon de jouer. Pour moi, ces parties auraient toujours un aspect |
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décevant puisqu'une partie de mes attentes ne seraient pas répondus |
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* Qu'est-ce que le jeu de rôle? [in jdrdef; en cours] |
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** Définition du jeu de rôle |
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- Abbrev. JdR ou jdr. Pl. Jeux de rôle. Jeu de négociations entre |
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participants des évènements se passant dans un espace imaginaire |
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*** Objectifs |
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- Racontant quelque chose; |
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Le modèle des jouets indique que ces trois objectifs sont tous |
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nécessaires. Le GNS ajoute qu'un seul objectif doit avoir la priorité |
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The goal of designing rules is to change social contract. |
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When a character dies in a novel or a movie, it's a) to establish |
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Doit offrir un cadre propice à l'expression des joueurs. |
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Doit être fidèle au monde imaginaire, crédible. |
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Offre des possibilités d'interaction, n'est pas linéaire, figé. |
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Conserve et protège la consistance du monde imaginaire, l'équilibre et |
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le thème propre à cet univers. |
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L'Histoire doit laisser la place aux autres participants afin qu'ils |
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Le jeu doit permettre à chacun de s'exprimer, de faire vivre |
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** Les types psychologiques |
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*** Type 0: le décrocheur |
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N'a aucun intérêt à jouet. |
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*** Types simples (3) |
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**** L'auteur (Histoire/Expressif) |
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Désire s'exprimer, se défouler. |
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Désire s'évader. |
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**** Le Participant (Jeu/Social) |
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Désire être avec ses amis. |
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*** Types complexes (4) |
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**** Le conteur (Expressif+Imaginatif) |
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Désire créer une belle histoire. |
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Désire raconter son histoire. |
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**** Le stratège (Social+Imaginatif) |
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Désire rêver avec ses amis. |
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Désire créer une histoire avec ses amis. |
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** Réduction |
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*** Est-ce que du jdr sans Histoire se peut? |
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Un jdr sans histoire, sans possibilité de s'exprimer, est impersonnel. |
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C'est une pièce de théâtre, un film interactif. Le rôle n'est |
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contrôlé. Il ne fait pas partie de notre modèle. |
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*** Est-ce que du jdr sans Jeu se peut? |
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Le jeu de rôle est une activité sociale et donc régit par des règles, |
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prendre son tour de parole et de s'assurer que tous puissent |
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* Système de résolution [cf. Résolution] |
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** Meta-gaming elements in Resolution |
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[From Burning Down the Firewall in lumpley.txt:] |
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Conventional wisdom: *if your character's not in the scene, you can't |
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The game calls for lots of free table talk, with you and your fellow |
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players calling out suggestions, kibitzing, and expanding on one |
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another's descriptions. Don't shut your mouth just because your |
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character's off the stage. |
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*** Metagame knowledge |
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Conventional wisdom: *if your character's not in the scene, you |
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shouldn't let information from the scene influence your actions.* |
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The game works *even better* when you bring your own metagame |
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knowledge into your character's actions. If you're choosing between |
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two possible, realistic actions for your character to take, don't |
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limit your decision-making to your character's point of view. Choose |
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the one that *you* prefer! |
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*** Immersive Surprise |
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Conventional wisdom: *when your character's surprised, you should be |
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surprised.* |
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I can't beat Ron Edwards' answer to this one. The whole answer's here on |
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the Forge <http://www.indie-rpgs.com/viewtopic.php?p=114267#114267>, but |
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here's a quote: |
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I'm now going to say something very harsh - traditionally, the focus |
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on "must ... surprise ... players!" is trying to solve the basic |
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problem that the encounter with, e.g., the goblins, is fundamentally |
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a stupid and irrelevant event in the game. Gotta have a fight. |
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Goblins. Must make it exciting. Um, well, I guess the only way is to |
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"get into character" and "be surprised," so I gotta figure out how. |
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OK, tell them to immerse, surprise the characters with GM-rolls-it |
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Perception checks, and thus the players will be surprised, right? |
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Wrong. The perception check is a big fat meaningless waste - the |
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encounter only takes on player-relevance if, in fact, the goblins |
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are relevant to the Creative Agenda of this group. |
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*** Out-of-scene Participation |
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Conventional wisdom: *it's boring when your character's not in the scene.* |
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Like every social fun, playing Dogs in the Vineyard depends on |
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constant feedback and demonstrated enthusiasm. When somebody says |
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something cool, show it. When something's funny, laugh. When you |
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have a suggestion, shout out. (I know, I know, duh, right? I only |
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mention it because I've played other games where you didn't, y'know, |
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do things like that.) |
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Also, to really deliver, the game shouldn't be isolated from your |
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regular socializing, it should blend in. Chat about the game before |
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and after, just like you would a book or TV show or movie. Chat |
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about books and movies and catch up with each other, during! You can |
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think of it as commercial breaks if you want, but tied to the social |
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rhythms of your little group, not on TV's 15-minute cycle. If the |
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game's worth playing, it'll draw your attention back in. |
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Interspersing some time of just hanging out like friends can be |
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pretty effective for maintaining a pace, prolonging suspense, and |
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giving payoff moments real punch, so don't worry too much about |
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digressions. |
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Your game will have an overall story, made up of the interwoven |
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individual stories of your characters. If it's not as fun and |
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engaging as the best TV shows, I haven't done my job. |
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** Conflicts vs Tasks Resolution |
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*** From lumpley.txt: |
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In task resolution, what's at stake is the task itself. "I crack the |
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safe!" "Why?" "Hopefully to get the dirt on the supervillain!" What's at |
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stake is: do you crack the safe? |
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In conflict resolution, what's at stake is why you're doing the task. "I |
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crack the safe!" "Why?" "Hopefully to get the dirt on the supervillain!" |
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What's at stake is: do you get the dirt on the supervillain? |
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Task resolution is succeed/fail. Conflict resolution is win/lose. You |
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can succeed but lose, fail but win. |
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In conventional rpgs, success=winning and failure=losing only provided |
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the GM constantly maintains that relationship - by (eg) making the safe |
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contain the relevant piece of information after you've cracked it. It's |
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possible and common for a GM to break the relationship instead, turning |
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a string of successes into a loss, or a failure at a key moment into a |
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win anyway. |
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Let's assume that we haven't yet established what's in the safe. |
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"I crack the safe!" "Why?" "Hopefully to get the dirt on the supervillain!" |
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It's task resolution. Roll: Success! |
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"You crack the safe, but there's no dirt in there, just a bunch of |
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in-order papers." |
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"I crack the safe!" "Why?" "Hopefully to get the dirt on the supervillain!" |
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It's task resolution. Roll: Failure! |
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"The safe's too tough, but as you're turning away from it, you see a |
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piece of paper in the wastebasket..." |
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(Those examples show how, using task resolution, the GM can break |
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success=winning, failure=losing.) |
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That's, if you ask me, the big problem with task resolution: whether you |
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succeed or fail, the GM's the one who actually resolves the conflict. |
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The dice don't, the rules don't; you're depending on the GM's mood and |
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your relationship and all those unreliable social things the rules are |
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supposed to even out. |
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Task resolution, in short, puts the GM in a position of priviledged |
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authorship. Task resolution will undermine your collaboration. |
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(later, in Practical Conflict Resolution Advice): |
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In Conflicts Resolution, Success/Failure give you a bonus/malus on |
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accessing what's at stake. |
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** Niveau de compétence et difficulté [competences.txt] |
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*** Balance of Power |
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Besoin de revisiter la colonne de M. Logan. |
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*** Interpretation |
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Besoin de plus de détails. |
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**** Contexte, Objectif, Performance et Résultat |
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Voir Les voyages de Mendes Pinto |
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[http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/collists/ruleslaw.html] et noter |
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aussi l'importance de l'engagement du PJ. |
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* Contrat social |
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** Éléments du contrat social |
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[Voir aussi Universalis] |
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*** Contrôle des personnages |
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*** Contrôle sur les évènements |
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*** Processus d'arbitrage |
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*** Intervention hors-jeux |
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*** Respect du thème |
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*** Lignes dures et douces (voiles) |
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[ Voir Sex & Sorcery à ce sujet. ] |
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** Suspension volontaire de l'incrédulité |
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"...it was agreed, that my endeavours should be directed to persons |
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and characters supernatural, or at least romantic, yet so as to |
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transfer from our inward nature a human interest and a semblance of |
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truth sufficient to procure for these shadows of imagination that |
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willing suspension of disbelief for the moment, which constitutes |
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poetic faith." - Samuel T. Coleridge |
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Comparaison avec le jouet??? le jeu??? l'histoire??? |
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http://www.onirarts.com/jdr/alltheboys.htm |
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*** Rôle de la magie dans la SVI |
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**** Fonction explicative |
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**** TGCM |
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* Thèmes et jeux de rôle. |
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** Attributs des genres |
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[http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/jeuderologie/message/492] |
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*** le degré de risque |
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si les conséquences d'un échec sont graves pour les PJs |
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*** l'héroïsme |
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si les PJs sont permis de se déplacer |
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*** la quantité d'informations utiles exposée |
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mystère ou pas |
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*** la cohérence rationnelle |
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est-ce que les évènements se produisant dans l'univers sont expliqués |
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de façon rationnelle ou pas? |
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*** le rythme narratif |
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à quelle vitesse les évènements se déroulent |
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**** About suspense, from lumpley.txt: |
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Put complications to inevitable outcomes and you get suspense. |
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*** la quantité descriptive |
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y'a-t-il beaucoup d'éléments à explorer, connaître |
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*** les enjeux |
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«Les mécanismes qui implémentent les enjeux dans le jeu de rôle sont |
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souvent à mi-chemin des deux précédents. À la fois jeu dans le jeu et |
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système descriptif, ils font correspondre à un état (ou un ensemble |
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d'états) du personnage une condition victorieuse, de même pour un état |
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antagoniste au précédent une condition d'échec. Très souvent la |
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permanente du personnage, alors que la condition victorieuse est |
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l'atteinte d'un objectif important dans l'évolution du personnage ou |
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de l'univers du jeu. |
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Bien que les mécanismes d'enjeux empruntent aux deux mécanismes |
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précédent, leur importance dans le jeu est suffisant pour les mettre à |
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part. Ces mécanismes indiquent avec insistance les attentes du |
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systèmes vis à vis des actions des personnages. Pour qu'un système |
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fonctionne bien, il faut bien entendu que ces attentes soient les |
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mêmes que celles de l'univers du jeu et du scénario. Sinon, vous |
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risquez fort de rencontrer une certaine résistance à établir une |
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atmosphère cohérente avec vos objectifs.» [ Extrait du DRI ] |
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*** Exemple: Genre horreur-enquête |
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Par exemple, pour le genre d'horreur-enquête, vous aurez un grand degré |
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de risque (chaque faux pas peu amener la perte d'un personnage), peu |
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d'héroïsme, peu d'informations révélées, une forte cohérence rationnelle |
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(même dans le genre horreur fantastique, l'effet fantastique n'existe |
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que par son apparition dans la réalité rationnelle des personnages), un |
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rythme narratif généralement lent (avec possiblement un climax rapide |
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vers la fin), une quantité descriptive faible (sauf pour des grands |
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mythes, comme celui de Cthulhu, mais encore, les personnages ne sont |
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amenés qu'à explorer une faible partie du mythe avec l'information |
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remise au compte-goutte), et un enjeu basé sur la résolution d'un mystère. |
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** genre horreur |
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[http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/jdr-creation/message/979] |
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L'horreur est indescriptible (Inconnu), on devine sa présence plus |
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qu'on la voie (Anticipation et non Prédiction) et l'Homme ne peut rien |
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faire pour l'arrêter définitivement (Impuissance). Appelez-la la Bête, |
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les Grands Anciens, l'Innommable, la Mort, les Puissances de |
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l'Au-Delà, le Démon... c'est toujours la même chose. L'Horreur ne |
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peut-être contrôler que par une éternelle vigilance (et c'est |
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probablement là la nuance que tu désirais faire) et on sait tous très |
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