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« *Reply #1 on:* January 22, 2002, 09:30:43 AM »

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Logan,

IIEC refers to intent, initiation, execution, and completion; it's a

followup on one of the "talk about it later" topics in my essay. The

thread, begun by Manu, is

http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=774 <"<a>">here.

A related thread, a similar followup and also begun by Manu, concerns

task/conflict resolution and similar stuff,

http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=773 <"<a>">here.

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« *Reply #2 on:* January 22, 2002, 09:34:16 AM »

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Yoicks!

Looking over the history of the discussion, I discover a terminological

shift!

It was, intent, initiation, completion, and effect; now, for some reason

I and others have been calling it intent, initiation, execution, and

completion!

Damn! I call a terminology conference. I like the "execution" part for

step 3 (I think Fang commented about how "completion" was too, well

"over with" to be just right). I also think "effect" or "result" or

"outcome" would be right for the last step.

So, IIEE? IIER? IIEO? Damn! All comments welcome.

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« *Reply #3 on:* January 22, 2002, 10:19:03 AM »

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I was going to guess IIEC was acronym-speak for "If I Even Care" . . .

I like Intent, Initiation, Execution, Effect - double-I, double-E.  IIEO

("Outcome" at the end) works too, but makes me want to turn it into

EIEIO. :-)

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« *Reply #4 on:* January 22, 2002, 10:36:06 AM »

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Hey,

I think Outcome is probably more precise than Effect, in that it

eliminates any hidden Narrativist bias toward resolution systems that

always move the narrative along, always produce an effect. In some

games, the Outcome is "no effect".

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« *Reply #5 on:* January 22, 2002, 04:04:18 PM »

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Quote from: Ron Edwards

It was, intent, initiation, completion, and effect; now, for some reason

I and others have been calling it intent, initiation, execution, and

completion!

Damn! I call a terminology conference. I like the "execution" part for

step 3 (I think Fang commented about how "completion" was too, well

"over with" to be just right). I also think "effect" or "result" or

"outcome" would be right for the last step.

So, IIEE? IIER? IIEO? Damn! All comments welcome.

I always prefered IIAC: Intent, Initiation, Action, Completion.

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« *Reply #6 on:* January 23, 2002, 12:24:50 AM »

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I root for IIEOC (Intent, Initiation, Execution, Outcome, Consequence).

I choose to separate Outcome (the localized impact of the action) from

Consequences (the big picture); Let's say it's all about swinging a

swort at a troll: O would be the possible wound to it, and C would be

the impact on its morale, and maybe on the morale of  surroundings goblins.

Another example: a character tries to seduce a noble lady: O would be

the efect of the smooth talker on the lady, and her reaction to it, and

C would be the triggered consequences on the Relationship Map

surrounding her.

Note that in both cases, the action might have been initiated with the

initial intent of reaching the goal of C, and O is just a "side effect".

Narrativist gamegroups might have a field day with this kind of way to

look at things, and I even see it in Ron's Elfs, personally. (palyer's

action as O, and character's action as C)

Just my 2 cents.

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