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* Le Hasard dans le jeu de rôle |
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Ce document présente la place du hasard dans le jeu de rôle. |
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** Deus ex machina et le MJ fiat |
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Le hasard peut être perçu comme un gardien de l'arbitrage du MJ. En |
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fait, c'est ainsi que plusieurs personnes le voit. Toutefois, c'est |
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une illusion. Le hasard ne peut garder seul contre l'arbitrage car |
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celui-ci survient à plusieurs niveaux. |
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*** Possibilités d'abus |
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Il existe au moins trois façons d'abuser du hasard: |
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**** Arbitrage par prolification (des jets de dés) |
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À force de jeter les dés, un joueur finira toujours par échouer ou |
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réussir. Que ce soit en cours d'une même action (réussir trente jets |
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de dés pour franchir un pont), ou de multiplier les jets inutiles (un |
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jet pour voir venir l'attaque, un autre pour sortir ses armes, l'autre |
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pour se mettre en garde, un autre pour attaquer, un autre pour |
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encaisser les dommages, un autre pour voir si on survit, etc.), |
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l'arbitrage reste présent. |
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**** Arbitrage par refus (des résultats) |
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Un MJ peut refuser les conséquences d'un résultat. Une réussite en |
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jeu de rôle va plus loin qu'une simple réussite de l'action |
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entreprise. C'est une réussite de l'objectif à atteindre. De même, |
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le MJ n'a pas le droit non plus de pénaliser inutilement un joueur qui |
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a réussi son jet. Ce refus déguiser des résultats est une façon |
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hypocrite d'imposer ces résultats. |
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***** Conflict vs Task Resolution (in lumpley.txt) |
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In task resolution, what's at stake is the task itself. "I crack the |
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safe!" "Why?" "Hopefully to get the dirt on the supervillain!" What's at |
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stake is: do you crack the safe? |
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In conflict resolution, what's at stake is why you're doing the task. "I |
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crack the safe!" "Why?" "Hopefully to get the dirt on the supervillain!" |
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What's at stake is: do you get the dirt on the supervillain? |
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Task resolution is succeed/fail. Conflict resolution is win/lose. You |
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can succeed but lose, fail but win. |
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In conventional rpgs, success=winning and failure=losing only provided |
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the GM constantly maintains that relationship - by (eg) making the safe |
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contain the relevant piece of information after you've cracked it. It's |
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possible and common for a GM to break the relationship instead, turning |
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a string of successes into a loss, or a failure at a key moment into a |
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win anyway. |
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Let's assume that we haven't yet established what's in the safe. |
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"I crack the safe!" "Why?" "Hopefully to get the dirt on the supervillain!" |
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It's task resolution. Roll: Success! |
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"You crack the safe, but there's no dirt in there, just a bunch of |
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"I crack the safe!" "Why?" "Hopefully to get the dirt on the supervillain!" |
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It's task resolution. Roll: Failure! |
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"The safe's too tough, but as you're turning away from it, you see a |
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(Those examples show how, using task resolution, the GM can break |
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That's, if you ask me, the big problem with task resolution: whether you |
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succeed or fail, the GM's the one who actually resolves the conflict. |
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The dice don't, the rules don't; you're depending on the GM's mood and |
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Task resolution, in short, puts the GM in a position of priviledged |
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authorship. Task resolution will undermine your collaboration. |
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(later, in Practical Conflict Resolution Advice): |
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**** Arbitrage par abus (des difficultés). |
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*** Prévention de l'arbitrage |
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**** Respect des règles |
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Les règles fixent les attentes des joueurs, indiquent le protocole |
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**** Respect des résultats |
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** Le hasard pour simplifier |
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*** Ignorer les détails |
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Trop de détails nuit. Le hasard peut être vu comme la partie que le |
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*** Créer un niveau d'incertitude |
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Certains éléments ne sont pas connus par le joueur. Pourquoi le MJ en |
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** Le hasard comme jeu |
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A) Hasard statistique: Compétence forte, moyenne, faible? On attribue |
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Le concept pour le joueur est de trouver une solution qui utilise ses |
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