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      Wind in the Flowers: Re-inventing a Game
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    Editing, Development, and Production
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*R. Sean Borgstrom*
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*Rated an A+ by 24 RPGnet readers!*
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The manuscript left my hands after two months of intensive writing and
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entered the similarly five-fingered hands of one Bruce Baugh, editor.
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The first major change to come out of this was a structural reorganization.
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The Pharos edition was, roughly speaking, written in the published
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order. I worked on the character creation section first, because I had
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to know what the characters could do before I knew what kind of world
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they lived in. At the end of that section, I had established a
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significant amount of information on the world, which I tidied up to
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create a description of the setting. Afterwards, I felt a need to round
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this out by describing the major NPC types in the setting. Then followed
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a chapter on resolving conflicts, an example of play, and advice on
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running the game. Finally, I stuck an introduction in front.
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If this sounds somewhat primitive, it was. *Nobilis* was essentially my
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first work in gaming, and I had a long way to go before I would polish
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any of my craft. And perhaps it is obvious that this needed some
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rearrangement. But I hesitated to fiddle with that kind of thing too
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much in my own editing, because my job was theoretically cleaning up the
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book and adding a few small sections.
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(If you're wondering how I got from 'cleaning up the book and adding a
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few small sections' to 'writing 130,000 new words for it in two months',
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so am I. Please tell me if you ever find out. But when I had written
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them, James Wallis told me he wanted them all, so it's cool.)
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Bruce, accordingly, shuffled the setting and introductory material to
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the front and pushed various rules stuff more cleanly into the rules
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chapter. This broke some structural dependencies; that is, it created a
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few extra references to concepts not yet explained. He worked on fixing
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that too. Then, of course, came long stretches of regularizing
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capitalization, cleaving grammar knots, and suchlike. I'm sure he
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probably killed great numbers of my semicolons, as I overuse them, and
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left the commas and periods bewailing the slain. Editors are
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underappreciated; it's finicky, important work.
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From there, I think, I shall step to overall product design. Section
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header quotes are both frequent and long in *Nobilis*. Many of them are
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literal excerpts from game world events, recorded from the thoughts or
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copied from the diaries of characters within the setting. A number of
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others represent fictional works from the game world that, in some
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fashion or other, set the tone for the appropriate section. I'm not
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going to go into why they're there; mostly, to keep the reader "in the
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world".
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In any event, in the Pharos edition, the quotes served as the primary
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source of art. The italicized sections, each a word-picture, broke up
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the flow of plain black text. The attribution visually set them off.
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This was good, because we didn't have much other art to put in.
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The original book was also a peculiar, small size, due to limitations of
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the print on demand process used. It had no margins, pretty much. James
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or Bruce had come up with the idea of the new edition (a) having
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margins, and (b) shifting the section-header quotes there. This in
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theory would provide some content to the margin, so it wasn't wasted
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space and wasted money, and also give some visual variety. Actual art
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and the section headers themselves would be used to break up the flow of
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black text.
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James wanted a visually distinctive book, and, after playing around with
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the concept, he developed the idea for an 11x11 book with a photo art
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nouveau cover. This would allow two solid columns, room for quotes in
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the margin, and a book that would look beautiful sitting on a table or a
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shelf. The resemblance to a coffee-table book isn't entirely accidental;
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we wanted to make something the reader would be glad to own.
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James had originally planned to purchase and reprint *Nobilis*, more or
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less, not develop a brand new edition. But by this point---long before,
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really---it was clear that this was a new product. This led, naturally,
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to a new, longer production schedule, which in turn gave us time to
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start a round of serious playtesting. This was a nice thing, all in all,
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and led to many changes in the text. The design principle was fairly
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straightforward: things that they found that were broken, I fixed. This
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is why playtesters get an acknowledgment at the front of the book; and
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I'll throw in another one here. Thank you!
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Not that much in the way of complexity came up during the layout itself.
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James chose a slightly different format for Ianthe's sections (see a
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previous column <wind13mar02.html>) and made various game abbreviations
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small-capped. The single-column format used for the Ianthe section
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appears to me to better mimic the style of a person speaking or writing
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a letter. The small caps . . . hm. James told me that it looks better.
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If I were pondering this decision myself, I would say that abbreviations
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are one of those things that puts the reader very much into "gaming
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mode", and by making them crouch in on themselves, he minimized this
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impact. We wobbled back and forth on how to do the Example of Play,
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which had very few headings and therefore large sections of blank
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margin. There are pieces of fiction interwoven with the Example of Play,
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showing the perspective of some minor NPCs; at first, these were moved
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to the margins. That filled the margins completely and told the story
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out of order. Ultimately, we solved this the obvious way: James made me
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write more quotes for the margin.
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Then came lots and lots of proofreading. And more proofreading. James
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proofread many times. I proofread once. (I've been busy.) I think Bruce
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proofread. I think there were also some volunteer or professional
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proofreaders he sent things to; if volunteers, thank you!
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That brings us up to the time of this writing. The printers have
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returned proofs and James is looking at them. By the time you actually
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see this column, *Nobilis* should be at most a week or two away!
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      What do you think? <http://www.rpg.net/pf/list.php?f=88>
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Go to forum! <http://www.rpg.net/pf/list.php?f=88>
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 Topics 	Author  	Date 	Latest Reply
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 James and the Small Caps
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=81&t=81> (2) new 	Kibo 
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 Art <http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=77&t=77> (1) new 	Lxndr 
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 The Original Nobilis Club
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=76&t=76> (3) new 	Bret Gillan 
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04-17-2002 11:28  	03-17-2003 17:48 new
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 Questions & Thoughts
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=64&t=64> (3) new 	Pyske 
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03-20-2002 18:31  	05-01-2003 13:03 new
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 Noble Buddhism?
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=61&t=61> (9) new 	Tlaloc 
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03-20-2002 12:17  	12-10-2004 01:20 new
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 Noble Suicide <http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=58&t=58> (9) new
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Eric Christian Berg  	03-20-2002 07:43  	01-18-2005 16:27 new
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 Art Notes <http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=54&t=54> (4) new 	R.
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Sean Borgstrom  	03-14-2002 16:31  	03-21-2002 03:44 new
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 Ack...you just lost my sale
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=45&t=45> (10) new 	SteveD 
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 Onomastikon working URL
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=36&t=36> (4) new 	Jorge
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Hernández  	03-06-2002 12:51  	08-20-2002 16:10 new
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 Why do angels change names ?
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=33&t=33> (10) new 	philippe
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tromeur  	03-06-2002 10:13  	12-10-2004 01:34 new
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 R. Sean, some examples?
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=32&t=32> (3) new 	Arref 
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 Sounds great, BUT...
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=28&t=28> (2) new 	Kane 
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 Sort of backwards?
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=21&t=21> (8) new 	Eric Finley 
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 Programmer nature slips out!
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=20&t=20> (2) new 	Sean
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McCarthy  	02-20-2002 13:18  	02-21-2002 10:30 new
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 Object Lesson Damage
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=15&t=15> (1) new 	Darren
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Miguez  	02-13-2002 12:45  	02-13-2002 12:45 new
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 How about this?
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=12&t=12> (2) new 	Kristian
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Lund  	02-13-2002 11:30  	02-14-2002 01:17 new
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 Now, this was strange!
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=9&t=9> (7) new 	access.denied 
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 Briefs on the other two?
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=5&t=5> (5) new 	Eric Finley 
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    * Editing, Development, and Production
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    * Affiliations </news+reviews/columns/wind20mar02.html>
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    * How to be a Hollyhock God </news+reviews/columns/wind13mar02.html>
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    * Naming Conventions </news+reviews/columns/wind06mar02.html>
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      March 6, 2002
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    * Art Notes </news+reviews/columns/wind27feb02.html>
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    * Dynamic Nobilis </news+reviews/columns/wind20feb02.html>
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    * Systems Change </news+reviews/columns/wind13feb02.html>
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    * Treachery </news+reviews/columns/wind06feb02.html>
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    * The Emperor to Come </news+reviews/columns/wind31jan02.html>
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      January 31, 2002
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    * The Changing of the Guard </news+reviews/columns/wind21jan02.html>
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      Other columns </news+reviews/columns.html> at RPGnet
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