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Reviews <http://www.rpg.net/reviews/> Forums <http://forum.rpg.net> |
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News & Press <http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/press.phtml> Columns & |
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Info <http://www.rpg.net/columns/index.phtml> RPG Wiki |
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<http://wiki.rpg.net> RPG Shop <http://shop.rpg.net> |
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Wind in the Flowers: Re-inventing a Game |
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The Changing of the Guard |
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*R. Sean Borgstrom* |
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I'd like to show you the backstage view of the reinvention of a game |
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*Nobilis* became available to the public in late 1999, but a number of |
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distribution and printing problems made it very hard to obtain. Hogshead |
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Publishing obtained the rights to *Nobilis* and intends to release a |
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new, better-distributed version in early 2002. As part of this |
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transition, it seemed only appropriate to incorporate the feedback and |
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reactions of those who /did/ manage to get their hands on the game. |
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Thus, the development of a new edition of the game began. |
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The Hogshead edition of the game is not a "version 2.0." The game spent |
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eight months on the shelves between initial release and my diving back |
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into the text. Although the new manuscript is extensively playtested, |
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*Nobilis* hasn't had enough time out in the world to grow. |
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Rather than guessing at the future opinions of the gaming world, we |
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changed the rules and setting very little, and only when necessary. We |
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did not seek incremental changes but rather a transformation: from a |
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difficult game to approach to an easy one. Most of the changes take the |
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form of new supplementary material, intended to help people run the game |
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This column provides an overview of the changes and what's going into |
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Hogshead's *Nobilis*. I intend to write about five more going into |
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detail about specific additions and modifications. |
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Looking over the online reviews of *Nobilis*, from the review on Pyramid |
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to the reviews on rpg.net, I see one fairly consistent complaint. I've |
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them quite favorable overall, but many reviewers noted that they would |
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find the game hard to run -- that they aren't sure what to /do/ with it. |
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We took a three-pronged approach to this problem. (In other words, we |
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jabbed it with a pitchfork.) First, I've replaced the sparse advice on |
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running *Nobilis* with a meaty section on the matter. It lays out what |
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how to solve them. It discusses non-player characters, story plotting, |
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and campaign development in depth. There's a lot more. Very little of |
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this is standard boilerplate that applies in any roleplaying game -- I |
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Second, on the advice of James Wallis -- actually, a lot of this is on |
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the advice of James Wallis, or Bruce Baugh; they're driving the new |
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the players could read without spoiling the game experience. I'll talk |
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Third, the old example of play was about 1250 words long, less than 1% |
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of the length of the manuscript. I own up to an error, here. There are a |
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lot of unusual concepts in *Nobilis*, and a fair number of unusual |
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James Wallis, who runs Hogshead, requested that I write about using the |
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*Nobilis* setting and general rules structure in a live-action game. As |
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those who have involved themselves with LARPs know, this kind of thing |
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Discussion on the Nobilis list suggested a few more areas meriting |
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adjustment. Most of the things the player characters do using the |
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Nobilis rules are called "miracles" -- and it's usually a pretty |
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(If you haven't read *Nobilis* and the discussion above confuses you, |
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Bruce Baugh, author, coauthor, or developer for a number of World of |
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Empire*, and *Adventure* -- agreed to edit the Hogshead edition of |
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*Nobilis*. I will be frank: it needs, and has always needed, an editor. |
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general for future products in the *Nobilis* line. |
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take one gulp from your drink. When you are drunk, stop.) The Hogshead |
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In future columns, I intend to talk about the sample campaign; the rules |
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the live-action rules. Not necessarily in that order. |
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R. Sean |
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What do you think? <http://www.rpg.net/pf/list.php?f=88> |
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Go to Top <http://www.rpg.net/pf/list.php?f=88> | New Topic |
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/post.php?f=88> | View Threads |
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/list.php?f=88&collapse=0> | Search |
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James and the Small Caps |
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=81&t=81> (2) new Kibo |
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Art <http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=77&t=77> (1) new Lxndr |
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The Original Nobilis Club |
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Questions & Thoughts |
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<http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=64&t=64> (3) new Pyske |
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Noble Buddhism? |
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Noble Suicide <http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=58&t=58> (9) new |
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Eric Christian Berg 03-20-2002 07:43 01-18-2005 16:27 new |
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Art Notes <http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=88&i=54&t=54> (4) new R. |
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Sean Borgstrom 03-14-2002 16:31 03-21-2002 03:44 new |
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Ack...you just lost my sale |
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Onomastikon working URL |
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Hernández 03-06-2002 12:51 08-20-2002 16:10 new |
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Why do angels change names ? |
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R. Sean, some examples? |
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Sounds great, BUT... |
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Sort of backwards? |
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Programmer nature slips out! |
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Object Lesson Damage |
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How about this? |
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Sandy Antunes 01-31-2002 17:36 01-31-2002 17:36 new |
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